I have two Poore, aka Poor, ancestors who have Revolutionary War service – son and father, John and Abraham Poor. I proved them both for DAR so that anyone who can prove descent from them may join that organization.
John and Mary Poor of Buckingham County, Virginia had a son, Imanuel (Manuel) Poor who married R. Snider in Nelson County, Virginia. He must have gone West afterwards, as I have encountered no records of him in Virginia after that. The Poor family had connections to Albemarle County, Virginia, and he was in Albemarle in 1804.
This is what I published about the war service of John and his father Abraham Poor:
On 2 August 1777, Abram Poore signed the Goochland County, Virginia Oath of Allegiance, his name being number 18 on the list of W. Harrison, from the Ann Waller Reddy Collection, box B, file 2, FC, “List of Oaths of Allegiance”, at the DAR Library. Abraham Poor contributed 4 bushels of wheat and carriage to the Revolutionary cause, from Virginia Publick Claims, page 5, Goochland County, Virginia List I, 1780-1781. He provided 1 peck of cornmeal, 76 pounds of pork, 72 pounds of bacon, 1 pound of salt, 1 large bullock and 275 pounds of beef for Continental and State use, recorded in Goochland County, Virginia Court Booklet dated 19 March 1782. He again gave 250 pounds of beef and one gun for State use.
On 16 August 1777, John Poor and his brother Robert signed the Oath of Fidelity in Goochland County, Virginia. He was drafted during the Revolution and served as a Private in the Virginia Line of the Continental Army for a term of twenty months. In his pension application, S38314, he stated “he was drafted as a private soldier of the war of the revolution on the continental establishment the twentieth day of March 1781 in the county of Albemarle and marched from thence to Chesterfield Court-house where he was allotted to the company commanded by Captain Robert Gamble of the 8th regiment of the Virginia line – That he was at the siege of York in Virginia at a skirmish in Georgia near Savanna and engaged in an attack by the Indians and having served until the 5th day of November 1782 and was then regularly discharged by Genl Charles Scott at Cumberland Court-house in the State of Virginia”.
I have never located any Poor cemeteries or gravesites. Perhaps someone reading this may know where they are buried.
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Edna,
Immanuel & Rachel were my 4G-Grandparents (in fact, thanks to your wonderful website I was able to file my DAR app today) and I have 3 books of information on Immanuel & Rachel’s descendants. This past November I took a 3-week trip back to Missouri to gather information on this family. Not only did I find Rachel’s estate papers, but I found Rachel’s headstone buried under 2″ of dirt, dug, unearthed it & it is now upright again. It is 149 yo, but is in like-new condition. What a moving experience that was. As for this family heading west, they did. Sometime between the 1830 census & 1837 when Immanuel died they moved to Pike/Lincoln Co., Missouri. I have lots of photos, documents, etc. I’ve contacted you previous via email and again I offer to you anything I have to put with your research.
Congratulations to you Lori. I am wondering how you know that the Rachel POOR in Missouri was married to Immanuel POOR of Virginia. She is on the 1850 census there so her husband had probably died before 1850. In the 1840 census of Pike County is “James POOR.” Would not he have been her husband?
Do you know when and where Immanuel POOR died?
I have the marriage record from Virginia for Immanuel & Rachel. Immanuel died in 1837 – his will written in 1836, proved Aug 28 1837. James Poor in the 1840 census is one of Immanuel & Rachel’s sons. In 1850 Rachel is living with son-in-law & daughter John W. & Mary A. Gillum in Cuivre Twp., MO. When she died Apr 6 or 7, 1858 she was living with son-in-law & daughter William & Sarah B. Palmer. She died without a will but in Nov 2007 I found her estate docs at the Lincoln County Courthouse while I was there on vacation. The supplies to build her coffin were purchased on Apr 7, 1858 according to the bill/receipt in the estate file. All her children except Elizabeth who had already died are listed as heirs to the estate & there is a receipt signed by each one of them where they received their $50 distributive share. Rachel died on the Palmer Farm which is where the cemetery is, but it is now the Missouri State Department Research Farm just south of Elsberry, MO. The people there are wonderful and keep the family cemetery looking very nice. It is assumed by the land records I’ve found that the land the Palmer Farm/Cemetery is on may have been part of Immanuel’s 1000+ acres. As for Immanuel, no stone has been found. His will was written in Pike County & proved in Lincoln County. Most of his land grants and deeds refer to the ‘waters of Bryants Creek’. When I did a map search Bryants Creek is 7 miles north of Troy, MO and 9 miles south of Pike County….just about where the Missouri State Agricultural Research Farm is where the Palmer Farm/Cemetery is.
I’m a real stickler about possessing supportive documentation, not just the word of other people. I also believe in sharing what I have. Anything I have (5 3″ ring binders on just the Poor(e) Family) you are more than welcome to. So far my Poor research covers 8 gens starting with Thomas III’s land deeds & will back to 1739.
2 weeks ago I finally received the proof-positive documentation (info on your website led me to where I needed to go to find the information) to make my application to the DAR Riverside California chapter. When I contacted them to request a mentor Dianne asked if I knew Edna Barney. I told her about your webpage that had led me to the correct counties in Virginia to request my documentation from. DAR attached your membership # to my application to speed up the processing. I was really thrilled to be included with such a wonderful person.
Just let me know what info or documents you would like and I’ll figure out a way to get them to you.
Lori Z.
Lori – Did you follow through on your application to DAR for Imanuel Poor as a son of John Poor? I hope so.
Oops, forgot something. While at the Lincoln County Courthouse I found the earliest known land deed for Immanuel – 1833. “Immanuel Poor and Rachel, his wife” purchased 94.9 acres of land from “James Palmer and Emily, his wife” land on “the waters of Bryants Creek”. In 1834 Immanuel sold 94.9 acres on ‘the waters of Bryants Creek” to his son-in-law “John W. Gillum and Maryan[sic], his wife”.
Lori – I am so proud of you. I have so much genealogy out on the Internet, that I cannot keep track of it all. I don’t know where you found the POORE information, as I do not remember publishing any web sites on them. When I first got on the Internet, I did send some of my POORE research off to someone working on that line. We traded information, but then, all that I sent got published by someone else, and I never saw my name on it, including a POORE will that I transcribed that was published at Rootsweb under someone else’s name as the transcriber.
It sounds like Diane, your DAR mentor, put my name on your application as an “Endorsement of Member to Member.” If so, that was very thoughtful of her and it is the first time anyone has done that for me even though I have helped and encouraged many cousins and non-kin on the Internet with their DAR submissions. I don’t know that it is going to help speed up your process, but I think it means that I get an extra star in my DAR crown.
I do thank you for all the additional information you have given me on Immanuel. I will have to pick your brain, or your loose leaf binders when I get back to working on the POOREs.
“I don’t know where you found the POORE information,” — Well, I found it on “Blogging the Revolution” about Abraham, John & Robert. That’s what pushed me to get all their military records. The GEDCOM file I published back in September on genealogy.com DID give you credit for the info I pulled from your site with your site addy. I haven’t updated it recently, but there are over 500 sources listed in the documentation (with the correct contributor). I see my stuff all over the place being claimed by other people and I just have to grind my teeth and blame it on the internet. Apparently, the meaning of plagerism wasn’t taught after the 1970’s, but that’s a whole ‘nother story! I did see that you checked out my msn live webpage and I will be posting more Poor(e) blogs as time permits (with adult children, teenagers & toddlers I don’t get much free time), so keep checking back.
Lori –
Wonderful! “Blogging the Revolution”- is the most popular site or blog I have ever created! That is a good thing, as it will remind whoever reads it of their American heritage and the sacrifies of so many from the very beginnings of our nation. It was not only our nation that was affected, as it was known as “the shot fired ’round the world,” which continues to this day.
My Patriots at Blogging the Revolution: http://patriots.wordpress.com/patriots/
If you are interested in the American Revolution, here are two more that I started, which are continueing with the contributions of others:
I would like to add Lori, that once your DAR papers are approved, that will open the line for the Missouri descendants of Immanuel Poor and his wife, to join the DAR. Probably most of them did not know they were descended from John and Abraham who contributed to the Revolutionary War.
Hi,
I found your website in searching for the Thomas Poore family of Goochland county, VA. His wife’s name was Jane nee Lea. They had a daughter Susan Elizabeth Poor who married Edward Haley in 1834 in Goochland County. On the 1860 Virginia census, there is a Lucy Haley living with Jane Poor. Do you know if this is the daughter of Edward and Susan Haley? any insight you may be able to give will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Anna – I don’t know this Thomas POORE. Is he a son of Thomas POORE and Frances MATTHEWS of Goochland?
During your research on Abraham Poor/Poore, did you find out parents of Judith Gardener?
No, I have not found the parents of Judith Gardener.
OMG – I think we all are related!! I just found Immanuel Poore and Rachel this morning. Immanual Poores father is John Poore `1748 – 1834 his father Abraham Poore 1725 – 1792 his father is Thomas III Poore 1700 – 1754
John’s brother – Thomas 5th Poore 1756 – 1827 is my great great great great grandfather. I am happy to provide any information. There are a ton of Thomas Poores – so it can get confusing.
It seems Immanuel and his brothers and sisters were the 1st of the Poore to go our to Missouri – the rest stayed in Goochland, and other counties in VA for some time.
Hello! Can someone help? I’m in search of documentation to confirm/link the below:
Thomas Poore (son of Abraham, married Francis Mathews)
Had son Edward H. Poore (married Martha Garden)
Had son Robert William Poore (married Francis Manley)
Had son Robert Thomas Poore (married Maud Spainhouser…spelling??)
From there I can confirm Robert Thomas Poore and Maud had a son Robert Poore Jr (named him Jr but didn’t give him the middle name Thomas?)
Robert Poore Jr had a son Robert Allen Poore..Robert Allen Poore had me!! Dusti Poore 🙂
Dusti — Edward and Martha Poor were enumerated on the 1850 Census of Goochland County, Virginia. You should be able to document their descendants through subsequent censuses, marriage and death records, wills and other court records.
Appreciate that! Thanks Neddy
Does anyone have a copy of the will of Abraham Poore dated 18 Sep 1786? I have a typed copy but think I need a copy of the will re DAR proof. And do you know if DAR will accept the Douglas Register which lists Baptized dates on page 276? My ancestor is Lucy Poor, daughter of Abraham Poor and Judith Gardener.
Connie – DAR will accept the Douglas Register as documentation. You can order a copy of the original will from Goochland County Courthouse. It is in Deed Book 16. Good luck.
Family Tree DNA has a “Poor-Poore DNA Research Group”: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/poor/ I looked at the lineages already tested and none of them appears to be from the Poor family of Virginia. You could be the first and it may be interesting to see if you connect to Poors of New England and England.
Neddy, I am in that “Poor-Poore DNA research group and I am also an administrator at the Powers DNA group (Poore and Powers are have ancient ties even though they have multiple progenitors). My kit number in the Poor-Poore DNA research group is “322510” (J-L70). I am just now responding because I was not notified by email that you had responded (as far as I know).
I have marked down “George Poore Sr” as my most distant paternal ancestor because he is the one that records can verify. There is no record from George to Thomas, but most of the families historians have tied George to Thomas as can be read in “Eastwind Westwind” by James H. Creighton. George Poore was born in 1723 and died in 1810, and he lived in Pittsylvannia, Virginia (which later became Patrick/Henry Co), but Thomas lived in Goochland, Va.
It seems that most information on George Poore Sr comes from Mary Poor Hoffer’s 1981 work, “George Poore and Descendants 1723-1810.” I don’t have access to that and I don’t know how she connects him to the Poore family of Goochland/Hanover, Virginia. Some of the histories of Jackson County, Ohio connect him and his children to Patrick County, Virginia.
I regret that I have no information of a George Poore in my Poore family of Virginia. There seem to be discrepancies – beginning with his birth 1723 in Pittsylvania County which was not formed until late 1700s. The Poore Group at FTDNA lists him from the New England family of Poores. That is all I know; I cannot identify any George Poore in Virginia.
I also used Abraham Poor/Poore for DAR with his Revolutionary War Service.
Poor : Poore
Abraham: b 1725 VA d a 7-18-1791 VA m (1) Judith Gardener PS VA
POOR, ABRAHAM
Ancestor #: A132216
Service: VIRGINIA
Rank: PATRIOTIC SERVICE
Birth: 1725 HANOVER CO VIRGINIA
Death: (ANTE) 7-18-1791 GOOCHLAND CO VIRGINIA
Service Description:
1) GAVE 4 BUSHELS OF WHEAT + CARRIAGE
2) SIGNED OATH OF ALLEGIANCE
I am through their daughter Lucy who married Robert Mimms.
“There seem to be discrepancies – beginning with his birth 1723 in Pittsylvania County which was not formed until late 1700s.” – I only said that he lived there, not that he was born there.
“The Poore Group at FTDNA lists him from the New England family of Poores.” – The DNA groups are free for anyone from any background to join as long as you share the Poore surname. I added myself to the group just as everyone in there did. My lineage does not match the New England group of Poore’s which are haplogroup R1b.
“South of Goochland the families of old William Poore (17201795)
and George Poore Sr. (17231810)
of Pittsylvania and Henry Counties also had fled the ancestral nest.
The old men were brothers. They were also the same two mentioned above, who, with John Powers, rode with the Augusta Militia in the French and Indian War. In
their long lifetimes they had ample opportunities to have acquired land throughout the mountain region in which they had fought. In 1783 George Sr. and his brother
William took George Jr. to claim a grant on the North Carolina line in Henry County on the south side of the Mayo River. George’s son Hugh Poore (17751829)
married
Martha Hutchins in 1798 and moved to present Jackson County, Ohio. Another and older son was Peter Poore (17501783).
He and his wife Margaret took land near
Rugby, Montgomery County, VA after sharing his father’s Mayo River lands. He had rode for years with the Mounted Militia with James McCorkle. After his death, his
wife and sons migrated to Sullivan and Claiborne Counties, Tennessee. This man I believe to have possibly been the father of Jesse Poore (17701843),
ancestor of Dr.
Ross Poore of Utah. Records show Jesse being born in North Carolina, but the family traveled constantly and the old Mayo River homestead was on a river that straddles
the state line.
William Poore’s eldest son John Poore Sr. (17441847)
lived to the ripe age of 97. His son John Jr. (17741841)
married Rhoda Clements about 1792. They had two sons
(and probably many more), John (born about 1793) and Hugh (18071839).
These two brothers would begin a multistate
odyssey that would take them to Tennessee,
Alabama and finally to Belton, Anderson County, South Carolina. When Hugh died in 1739, his brother John would marry his widowed wife, Anna Holland (17751880).
Moses Poore Sr. (17501820)
was another Virginiaborn
interstate
traveler. I suspect that he was another brother of George Sr. and William Poore. He originated from
the same PittsylvaniaHenry
County region near the Carolina border, as did William and George. Although some think Moses was born in Ireland, I tend to think that
he, William and George descended from the old Thomas Poore line of England, Andover MA and the Chowan River Poores.”
This is from the following book:
“EASTWIND WESTWIND
THE LEGACY OF JOHN POORE
The Family Poore, Poor, Poer and Powers, Prehistory to the Present
By James H. Creighton
November 28, 1946 – June 10, 2005
2005 EDITION
EASTWIND WESTWIND”
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=9194219
Henry County, and Patrick County came out of Pittsylvania County, Virginia…
It appears that you don’t have a paper trail that connects your George Poore (1723-1810) to the Goochland County Poores. If you have not been able to find documentation of where George Poore Sr. came from, I think it would be worthwhile for you to find some male descendants from the Poor/Poore family of Goochland County, Virginia and compare yDNA with them.
I like the way you think because it is the same way I think! 🙂
I have already been working on this and I have located two others who have tested their YDNA and claim to be descendants of Thomas Poore. Interestingly all three of us have very different YDNA signatures and therefore either one of us are his descendants and the rest of us are not, or neither of the three of us are his descendants.
I asked to view the family tree information of the others that have tested, and unfortunately none of them have a solid paper trail to Thomas. However the area that one of the persons ancestors lived in was closer to Goochland than Pittsylvania is, so it might be more likely that his ancestor really was Thomas, but that is still only speculation and I do not like to speculate.
When I see the given name “Hugh” I think of the Scots-Irish who settled Augusta County. They seemed to often use that name. Have you researched your George Poore amongst them? Michael Poor and Susannah Poor were at the Bedford County Court of March 22nd, -1756, trying to prove their right to fifty acres of land because they had immigrated from Ireland about 20 years previous, which would have been about 1736, when George Poore was about ten-years-old. Have you checked them?
Am looking for information on Abram Poore. She came to America on the Speedwell in 1635 with a group of maidens to marry in Virginia.
Resource: The Original Lists of Persons of Quality
1600-1700
Edited by John Camden Hotten
The Speedwell sailed with the Mayflower in 1600. It returned to England because it was leaking. Happy Thanksgiving.
Hello Neddy,
I love your blog. My mother just passed this August. Her maiden names was Poore and was from Kentucky. Her father was related to the Thomas Poore’s of Goochland VA. Her cousin was Jim Poore who had been the main researcher for this side of the family. Now that both are gone, I have the bug and have been trying to fill in the blanks. My mothers brother is still alive and I am interested in sending him a DNA kit. Have you any experience in the DNA sampling or which kit would be best? I too wish to take a test to also trace my father’s side (he’s gone too). Any recommendations? Also, can you alert me to any updates on the Poore side?
Thank you.
Elizabeth Thompson Krieger,
I’m not sure why, but I was just notified by email of this comment…. Anyway, I wanted recommend that you test your mother’s brother at family tree DNA with their 37 marker Y-STR test. It is the best test for matching family on paternal lines within the last 12 generations. It is a wonderful tool….. I’ve tested with all 3 major testing companies and have performed well beyond just the basic tests, and have done a lot of research. For what you are trying to attain from this test, the 37 marker test at Family Tree DNA is the best.
You will find me on Family Tree DNA as kit number 332510 under the Poore family DNA research groups.
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/poor/about
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/power-et-al/about/background
Hello,
Just received emails from you today. Interesting. I took the family tree MtDNA tests. Kit # 615941. My haplogroup is H1c9a through the Poore side.
Would I be able to join the group?
Sorry, I mean kit number “322510”
Not sure of info but have it in notes: parents of Judith /Judah Gardener maybe Jethro or Jasper Gardener and her mother Keziah Folger. And Keziah ‘s mother maybe Judith Coffin 2/2/1672. This may be wild goose chase but it could be something. Hope it helps